asxeto me to an einai swstoi i oxi oi isxurismoi to endiaferon exei i apadisi, oti to skandalo einai dikommatiko... I thesi auti, amundiki kata ti gnwmi mou, deixnei tin teastia adunamia tou aristerou logou stin ellada, pou politika edw kai xronia orizetai san to aditheto tou dikomatismou. Adunatei na orthwthei aneksartitos, pada xreiazetai to aditheto gia na oristei, to dikomatismo. Auto dilwnei itopatheia pou proerxetai fusika apo ideologiki krisi mias kai i aristera exei eglwvistei se astika plaisia. Ola prepei na arthrwthoun me tetoio tropo pou na eksasfalizei anodo ton posostwn. Einai poli pithano katw apo autes tis sunthikes an katareusei se kampoia stigmi o dikomatismos i aristera na upostei teleiwtiki uparksiaki krisi. Otan o logos ginetai efimeros tote xanei to ousiastiko tou pleonektima: tin diaxronikotita.
autos o anthrwpos eixe oristei san fusiko fainomeno, i ithiki pou ton plaisiwne eixe stalthei sto apospasma pio prin me ton heiddeger...auti itan i legomeni apostoli tis fulis, mia zwi eksw apo tin koinwnia.
adastra den katalava ti ennoeis me:
Βεβαια αν ο ΕΔΕΣ ηταν συνεργατες των Γερμανων μονο την τυχη αυτη που ειχε το χωριο δεν θα τυγχανε. Και ειναι ακομα ενας λογος που πολλοι απο τους νεους τωρα πρεπει να αποτειναξουν τις συκοφαντιες και τα σχετικα μυθευματα!!!!
1)To teleutaio kairo vlepw oti to tvxs ginetai kati san eidiseografiko praktorio me eidiseis apo alles piges anadimosieumenes. Tha ithela perissoteri kritiki sta themata kai perissoteri analusi. Den xreiazetai to anamasima.
2)Tha ithela na uparxei ena sugekrimeno profil, gurw apo ta koinwnika dikaiwmata,tin politiki,ton politismo. Vriskw edelws anousio na anartwndai eidiseis tou styl sugrousi trenwn stin india, kai apo katw 2 grammes me tous nekrous. Einai pliroforia pou apo moni tis xwris kapoia analusi (px sxolio gia tous sidirodromous stin india,posa atuximata ginondai, apo pou elenxondai, politikes euthunes) einai aplws peritti.
Xreiazotane i live metadwsi tis kideias tou jackson? I oti nikise i ethniki sto basket?
3) Apo to 1 kai to 2 proswpika pisteuw oti uparxei uperpliroforisi, kai auto einai mia morfi kakis pliroforisis kai paraplitoforisis. Pisteuw oti kratowndas ena profil, pio konda sto arxiko sas uparxei perissoteros xronos gia arthra me analusi kai kritiki. Den xreiazetai na ta kaluptete ola, kade auto pou kserete kalutera, auto pou mas dwsate kaluptwndas to dekemvri, vazondas kai analoga dokumander (paradeigma pros mimisi ta xronia tou moluviou kai oi analuseis tous steliou kouloglou)
4) perissotera dokumander kai ereuna kathws kai anartisi twn episodeiwn reportaz xwris sunora kapou sugedrwmena.
5)perissotera dika sas aneksartita reportaz me koinwniko thema apo tis poleis tis elladas. Den arkei to anamasima apo ta kuria MME. Auto einai pou tha traviksei pio polu kosmo.
6) Sunexiste na provalete kai akoma perissotero tis protovoulies politwn, opws to parko sti nauarinou kai lelas karagianni, nosotros, ktl. Yparxoun kai alloi xwroi autodiaxeirizomenoi xwroi kai kiniseis politwn pou xreiazetai na erthei o kosmos se epafi. Endexomenws vreite tous kai kande mia parousiasi. Autes oi 'mikres' eidiseis einai oi sumadikes kai tis exoume anagi pros ofelws tis koinwnikis sunoxis kai suneiditopoiisis.
Koita o polemos apo monos tou einai to telos tis ithikis, omws otan exeis idi skotwsei 100,000 amaxous kai isopedwsei panw apo to 50% twn megalwn pollewn (yokohama, tokyo...) tote einai dunaton na tous rixneis kai 2 atomikes vomves? Kseroume oti tis erikse gia na ekfovisei tous rwsous, kathoti o axonas eixe xasei. Einai gnwsti i apextheia tou trouman stin politiki sumvivasmou tou roosvelt me toon stalin...kai thewrouse oti oi rwsoi pirane parapanw apoti eprepe. Opote auto san kinitro einai akoma pio apexthes kai deixnei oti pragmatika meta apo toso makeleio amaxwn oi atomikes itane sunexeia tou eglimatos.Auto kseperna ta oria tou tragikou.
Mia mono xodri adifasi se styl far west: O idios milaei gia summetrikes apwleies sto polemo...
Proportionality should be a guideline in war. Killing 50% to 90% of the people of 67 Japanese cities and then bombing them with two nuclear bombs is not proportional, in the minds of some people, to the objectives we were trying to achieve.
kai fusika milaei gia tous allous (the people oxi ti leei autos...)
alla telika amesws meta:
I don't fault Truman for dropping the nuclear bomb. The U.S.—Japanese War was one of the most brutal wars in all of human history kamikaze pilots, suicide, unbelievable. What one can criticize is that the human race prior to that time ? and today has not really grappled with what are, I'll call it, "the rules of war." Was there a rule then that said you shouldn't bomb, shouldn't kill, shouldn't burn to death 100,000 civilians in one night?
I epiklisi sto nomo, mallon kanona (rule) opws leei exei na kanei asfalws me elleipsi ithikis...Giati den xeiazesai kanona gia na min kaneis genoktonia...
Kai otan omws egine o kanonas to 49 me tin sunthiki tis Genevis, tin grapsane sta papoutsia tous sto polemo tou vietnam (kai sunexizoun na to kanoun).
O anthrwpos einai kunikotatos, kai pada upekfeugei dinodas erwtimata oxi apadiseis... vevaia to oti den katigorei ton Trouman gai tis atomikes einai tragika eilikrines.
The fog of war mas leei oti o polemos tholwnei to mualo kai tous ithikous fragmous, giauto parte 10 mathimata pws na ksetholwsete...kai na skotwsete me metro.
alla leei episis pio katw
LeMay said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?
katalavainoume loipon oti i istoria grafetai apo tous nikites opws leme pleon...ara pame se oliki eksodwsi tou adipalou prokeimenou na nikisoume kai na vgoume ladi metepeita.
auto pou egrapsa prin(ti na kaname na afiname tous iapwnes na erthoun stin xwra mas kai na skotwsoun athwous kai athwes amerikanides?) padws den to eipe, opote grapste lathos...milouse gia amerikanous stis paralies tis iapwnias kata tin apovasi, oxi sta paralia tis amerikis opws nomiza!!
Askizei na to diavasei kapoios gaiti einai gemato adifaseis
Dokumander gia tin usterofimia tou macnamara kai tin apodoxi tou. Ti na peis kaneis otan omologei ta eglimata tou (tipota kainourgio parepiptwndws), kai tautoxrona leei oti ston polemo i ithiki allazei? Diladi den uparxoun eglimata polemou thelei na mas pei o anthrwpos gaiti i ithiki einai sxetiki. ELEOS! Kai sunexizei legondas...ti na kaname na afiname tous iapwnes na erthoun stin xwra mas kai na skotwsoun athwous kai athwes amerikanides? To erwtima einai laikistiko kai mi realistiko kai seimiotewn tetoios amudikos polemos einai kai autos enadia stin tromokratia.
Fouska to dokumadenr sumfwnw loipon. To poso stimeno einai fainetai apo tin kai kala sunedeuksi pou dinei, pou fusika den einai alithini alla xrisimopoieitai gia afigimatikous skopous. To pio asteio kai tragelafiko einai to dakru pou rixnei milwndas gia ton kennedy... Ta de plana sto telos mesa sto autokinito prospathoun na dwsun mia ’anthrwpini’ diastasi se ena teras, stin ousia na nomimopoiisoun enan eglimatia...pou tin evgale kathari mono kai mono giati sto polemo i ithiki allazei. Ksexase na mas pei omws oti to kinitro einai to idio.
Nomizw to vasiko sautin tin istoria einai i xroniki sugiria...periodos epidunwsis tis kapitalistikis krisis. To minima thelei apodektes:
1)stous anatoliko eurwpaious, pou oi kuverniseis tous peftoune domino, kuverniseis pou stirixtikan apo tin EU. Autes oi kuverniseis apetuxan na metamorfwsoun tis xwres tous kata ta kapitalistika dutikoeurwpaika protupa. Oi idies sta matia twn politwn tous den stirixtikan apo tin EU oso nomizan, stin ousia den bikane pote sto club. Apenadias, stragixtikan asfiktika oi oikonomies tous, kai einai fws fanari pleon oti i endaksu tous stin EU itane geopolitikis simasias (enadia stin rwsia) kai oikonomikis, ftines ependuseis sto edafos tous, eksagora tis ethnikis tous oikonomias kai alla tetoia fileleutheristika kolpa.
Twra loipon pou i dutikes ependuseis katareoun, oi anatolikes oikonomies peftoun kai oi kuverniseis tous katareoun. Brosta sto kinduno tis anaduomenis rwsias, kai to fovo oikonomikis stiriksis tous apo autin, tous upenthumizoun ta 'kaka' tou komounismou, pou stin ousia einai o rwsikos imberialismos me 'komounistiko' kapelo.
Stin ousia tous lene sorry guys you have no alternative.
I krufi goiteia tis bourzouazias paramenei pio elkustiki gia autous...
2) sta palea meli me paradosi stin taksiki pali, prospathoun na anasteiloun tin aristeri ideoologia twra sto katwfli twn eperxomenwn taksikwn sugrousewn. Etsi loipon prospathoun na xtupisoun tin anapofeukti anagenisi twn aristerwn kinimatwn pou tha vrethoun adimetwpa me tous kapitalistes. Mesa sauta einai sigouro oti tha xtupithei kai o sundikalismos, kai oi aristeres organwseis. Me auto to psifisma thesmothetitai i diwksi tis tis aristeris skepseis, pou borei na ftasei akraies morfes, analoga me tin kapitalistiki krisi.
3)ta krati tis latinikis amerikis, pou efarmozoun andi-fileleutheristiki politiki, kathws bainei fragmos sto pliatsiko apo tis poluethnikes tous. Vathmiaia, kai auta isws ksanaboun sto stoxastro.
Twra i tautisi hitler stalin einai gia ta eksartimena adanaklastika. Pragmatika einai asteio na akous adikomounistes na lene gia tis thiriwdies tou stalin, kai na apokruptoun skopimws oti o stalin kuriws komounistes ekswdwse mazi me to megalutero meros tou bolsevikikou kommatos.
Fusika oi kritikes ston Nazismo exoune anafora sto Hitler kai OXI ston fasismo pou zei kai vasileuei se polles xwres tis eurwpis (i.e http://www.enet.gr/?i=issue.el.home&date=05/07/2009&id=60172). kai pws na min to kanei allwste afou proskuetai pista sto oikonomiko politiko sustima, einai paidi tou kapitalismou. I istoria to exei deiksei kai oi politikoi tis ekprwswpoi to exoun stiriksei (vlepe ta sunxaritiria tou gentile ston mousolini gia tin oikonomiki tou iduofuia kai tin apagorpsi twn ergatikwn enwsewn, tou churchil, ston mousolini gia to kleisimo tis italikis voulis, Mazower i skoteini ipiros...)
Τα σχόλια του χρήστη
apo edw i eidisi
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/a...
vlepei kaneis kai pws pane na ta mazepsoun oi times...
asxeto me to an einai swstoi i oxi oi isxurismoi to endiaferon exei i apadisi, oti to skandalo einai dikommatiko... I thesi auti, amundiki kata ti gnwmi mou, deixnei tin teastia adunamia tou aristerou logou stin ellada, pou politika edw kai xronia orizetai san to aditheto tou dikomatismou. Adunatei na orthwthei aneksartitos, pada xreiazetai to aditheto gia na oristei, to dikomatismo. Auto dilwnei itopatheia pou proerxetai fusika apo ideologiki krisi mias kai i aristera exei eglwvistei se astika plaisia. Ola prepei na arthrwthoun me tetoio tropo pou na eksasfalizei anodo ton posostwn. Einai poli pithano katw apo autes tis sunthikes an katareusei se kampoia stigmi o dikomatismos i aristera na upostei teleiwtiki uparksiaki krisi. Otan o logos ginetai efimeros tote xanei to ousiastiko tou pleonektima: tin diaxronikotita.
Απίστευτο το τι μπορεί να κάνει ο άνθρωπος...
autos o anthrwpos eixe oristei san fusiko fainomeno, i ithiki pou ton plaisiwne eixe stalthei sto apospasma pio prin me ton heiddeger...auti itan i legomeni apostoli tis fulis, mia zwi eksw apo tin koinwnia.
adastra den katalava ti ennoeis me:
Βεβαια αν ο ΕΔΕΣ ηταν συνεργατες των Γερμανων μονο την τυχη αυτη που ειχε το χωριο δεν θα τυγχανε. Και ειναι ακομα ενας λογος που πολλοι απο τους νεους τωρα πρεπει να αποτειναξουν τις συκοφαντιες και τα σχετικα μυθευματα!!!!
aksizei na deite kai auto
Τρελά κέρδη για τις φαρμακοβιομηχανίες
http://www.enet.gr/?i=news.el.article&id=67069
episis diavaste to kostos tis iwsis gia tin oikonomia...
http://www.enet.gr/?i=news.el.article&id=67071
se ligo osoi ergazomenoi den emvoliazondai tha apoluondai proeretika!
1)To teleutaio kairo vlepw oti to tvxs ginetai kati san eidiseografiko praktorio me eidiseis apo alles piges anadimosieumenes. Tha ithela perissoteri kritiki sta themata kai perissoteri analusi. Den xreiazetai to anamasima.
2)Tha ithela na uparxei ena sugekrimeno profil, gurw apo ta koinwnika dikaiwmata,tin politiki,ton politismo. Vriskw edelws anousio na anartwndai eidiseis tou styl sugrousi trenwn stin india, kai apo katw 2 grammes me tous nekrous. Einai pliroforia pou apo moni tis xwris kapoia analusi (px sxolio gia tous sidirodromous stin india,posa atuximata ginondai, apo pou elenxondai, politikes euthunes) einai aplws peritti.
Xreiazotane i live metadwsi tis kideias tou jackson? I oti nikise i ethniki sto basket?
3) Apo to 1 kai to 2 proswpika pisteuw oti uparxei uperpliroforisi, kai auto einai mia morfi kakis pliroforisis kai paraplitoforisis. Pisteuw oti kratowndas ena profil, pio konda sto arxiko sas uparxei perissoteros xronos gia arthra me analusi kai kritiki. Den xreiazetai na ta kaluptete ola, kade auto pou kserete kalutera, auto pou mas dwsate kaluptwndas to dekemvri, vazondas kai analoga dokumander (paradeigma pros mimisi ta xronia tou moluviou kai oi analuseis tous steliou kouloglou)
4) perissotera dokumander kai ereuna kathws kai anartisi twn episodeiwn reportaz xwris sunora kapou sugedrwmena.
5)perissotera dika sas aneksartita reportaz me koinwniko thema apo tis poleis tis elladas. Den arkei to anamasima apo ta kuria MME. Auto einai pou tha traviksei pio polu kosmo.
6) Sunexiste na provalete kai akoma perissotero tis protovoulies politwn, opws to parko sti nauarinou kai lelas karagianni, nosotros, ktl. Yparxoun kai alloi xwroi autodiaxeirizomenoi xwroi kai kiniseis politwn pou xreiazetai na erthei o kosmos se epafi. Endexomenws vreite tous kai kande mia parousiasi. Autes oi 'mikres' eidiseis einai oi sumadikes kai tis exoume anagi pros ofelws tis koinwnikis sunoxis kai suneiditopoiisis.
Koita o polemos apo monos tou einai to telos tis ithikis, omws otan exeis idi skotwsei 100,000 amaxous kai isopedwsei panw apo to 50% twn megalwn pollewn (yokohama, tokyo...) tote einai dunaton na tous rixneis kai 2 atomikes vomves? Kseroume oti tis erikse gia na ekfovisei tous rwsous, kathoti o axonas eixe xasei. Einai gnwsti i apextheia tou trouman stin politiki sumvivasmou tou roosvelt me toon stalin...kai thewrouse oti oi rwsoi pirane parapanw apoti eprepe. Opote auto san kinitro einai akoma pio apexthes kai deixnei oti pragmatika meta apo toso makeleio amaxwn oi atomikes itane sunexeia tou eglimatos.Auto kseperna ta oria tou tragikou.
Mia mono xodri adifasi se styl far west: O idios milaei gia summetrikes apwleies sto polemo...
Proportionality should be a guideline in war. Killing 50% to 90% of the people of 67 Japanese cities and then bombing them with two nuclear bombs is not proportional, in the minds of some people, to the objectives we were trying to achieve.
kai fusika milaei gia tous allous (the people oxi ti leei autos...)
alla telika amesws meta:
I don't fault Truman for dropping the nuclear bomb. The U.S.—Japanese War was one of the most brutal wars in all of human history kamikaze pilots, suicide, unbelievable. What one can criticize is that the human race prior to that time ? and today has not really grappled with what are, I'll call it, "the rules of war." Was there a rule then that said you shouldn't bomb, shouldn't kill, shouldn't burn to death 100,000 civilians in one night?
I epiklisi sto nomo, mallon kanona (rule) opws leei exei na kanei asfalws me elleipsi ithikis...Giati den xeiazesai kanona gia na min kaneis genoktonia...
Kai otan omws egine o kanonas to 49 me tin sunthiki tis Genevis, tin grapsane sta papoutsia tous sto polemo tou vietnam (kai sunexizoun na to kanoun).
O anthrwpos einai kunikotatos, kai pada upekfeugei dinodas erwtimata oxi apadiseis... vevaia to oti den katigorei ton Trouman gai tis atomikes einai tragika eilikrines.
The fog of war mas leei oti o polemos tholwnei to mualo kai tous ithikous fragmous, giauto parte 10 mathimata pws na ksetholwsete...kai na skotwsete me metro.
alla leei episis pio katw
LeMay said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals. LeMay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side had lost. But what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?
katalavainoume loipon oti i istoria grafetai apo tous nikites opws leme pleon...ara pame se oliki eksodwsi tou adipalou prokeimenou na nikisoume kai na vgoume ladi metepeita.
edw vriskete olo to narration tou dokumander...
http://www.errolmorris.com/film/fow_transcript.html
auto pou egrapsa prin(ti na kaname na afiname tous iapwnes na erthoun stin xwra mas kai na skotwsoun athwous kai athwes amerikanides?) padws den to eipe, opote grapste lathos...milouse gia amerikanous stis paralies tis iapwnias kata tin apovasi, oxi sta paralia tis amerikis opws nomiza!!
Askizei na to diavasei kapoios gaiti einai gemato adifaseis
Dokumander gia tin usterofimia tou macnamara kai tin apodoxi tou. Ti na peis kaneis otan omologei ta eglimata tou (tipota kainourgio parepiptwndws), kai tautoxrona leei oti ston polemo i ithiki allazei? Diladi den uparxoun eglimata polemou thelei na mas pei o anthrwpos gaiti i ithiki einai sxetiki. ELEOS! Kai sunexizei legondas...ti na kaname na afiname tous iapwnes na erthoun stin xwra mas kai na skotwsoun athwous kai athwes amerikanides? To erwtima einai laikistiko kai mi realistiko kai seimiotewn tetoios amudikos polemos einai kai autos enadia stin tromokratia.
Fouska to dokumadenr sumfwnw loipon. To poso stimeno einai fainetai apo tin kai kala sunedeuksi pou dinei, pou fusika den einai alithini alla xrisimopoieitai gia afigimatikous skopous. To pio asteio kai tragelafiko einai to dakru pou rixnei milwndas gia ton kennedy... Ta de plana sto telos mesa sto autokinito prospathoun na dwsun mia ’anthrwpini’ diastasi se ena teras, stin ousia na nomimopoiisoun enan eglimatia...pou tin evgale kathari mono kai mono giati sto polemo i ithiki allazei. Ksexase na mas pei omws oti to kinitro einai to idio.
Nomizw to vasiko sautin tin istoria einai i xroniki sugiria...periodos epidunwsis tis kapitalistikis krisis. To minima thelei apodektes:
1)stous anatoliko eurwpaious, pou oi kuverniseis tous peftoune domino, kuverniseis pou stirixtikan apo tin EU. Autes oi kuverniseis apetuxan na metamorfwsoun tis xwres tous kata ta kapitalistika dutikoeurwpaika protupa. Oi idies sta matia twn politwn tous den stirixtikan apo tin EU oso nomizan, stin ousia den bikane pote sto club. Apenadias, stragixtikan asfiktika oi oikonomies tous, kai einai fws fanari pleon oti i endaksu tous stin EU itane geopolitikis simasias (enadia stin rwsia) kai oikonomikis, ftines ependuseis sto edafos tous, eksagora tis ethnikis tous oikonomias kai alla tetoia fileleutheristika kolpa.
Twra loipon pou i dutikes ependuseis katareoun, oi anatolikes oikonomies peftoun kai oi kuverniseis tous katareoun. Brosta sto kinduno tis anaduomenis rwsias, kai to fovo oikonomikis stiriksis tous apo autin, tous upenthumizoun ta 'kaka' tou komounismou, pou stin ousia einai o rwsikos imberialismos me 'komounistiko' kapelo.
Stin ousia tous lene sorry guys you have no alternative.
I krufi goiteia tis bourzouazias paramenei pio elkustiki gia autous...
2) sta palea meli me paradosi stin taksiki pali, prospathoun na anasteiloun tin aristeri ideoologia twra sto katwfli twn eperxomenwn taksikwn sugrousewn. Etsi loipon prospathoun na xtupisoun tin anapofeukti anagenisi twn aristerwn kinimatwn pou tha vrethoun adimetwpa me tous kapitalistes. Mesa sauta einai sigouro oti tha xtupithei kai o sundikalismos, kai oi aristeres organwseis. Me auto to psifisma thesmothetitai i diwksi tis tis aristeris skepseis, pou borei na ftasei akraies morfes, analoga me tin kapitalistiki krisi.
3)ta krati tis latinikis amerikis, pou efarmozoun andi-fileleutheristiki politiki, kathws bainei fragmos sto pliatsiko apo tis poluethnikes tous. Vathmiaia, kai auta isws ksanaboun sto stoxastro.
Twra i tautisi hitler stalin einai gia ta eksartimena adanaklastika. Pragmatika einai asteio na akous adikomounistes na lene gia tis thiriwdies tou stalin, kai na apokruptoun skopimws oti o stalin kuriws komounistes ekswdwse mazi me to megalutero meros tou bolsevikikou kommatos.
Fusika oi kritikes ston Nazismo exoune anafora sto Hitler kai OXI ston fasismo pou zei kai vasileuei se polles xwres tis eurwpis (i.e http://www.enet.gr/?i=issue.el.home&date=05/07/2009&id=60172). kai pws na min to kanei allwste afou proskuetai pista sto oikonomiko politiko sustima, einai paidi tou kapitalismou. I istoria to exei deiksei kai oi politikoi tis ekprwswpoi to exoun stiriksei (vlepe ta sunxaritiria tou gentile ston mousolini gia tin oikonomiki tou iduofuia kai tin apagorpsi twn ergatikwn enwsewn, tou churchil, ston mousolini gia to kleisimo tis italikis voulis, Mazower i skoteini ipiros...)